Topic: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

http://bertie.ccsu.edu/~dsb/naturesci/P … katos.html
"Lakatos distinguished between two parts of a scientific theory: its "hard core" which contains its basic assumptions (or axioms, when set out formally and explicitly), and its "protective belt", a surrounding defensive set of "ad hoc" (produced for the occasion) hypotheses. (...) In Lakatos' model, we have to explicitly take into account the "ad hoc hypotheses" which serve as the protective belt. The protective belt serves to deflect "refuting" propositions from the core assumptions..."

http://www.physics.queensu.ca/~phys242/Section2_3.pdf
"Because the GTs [Galilean transformations] are clearly not consistent with Einstein's two postulates, we are going to have to develop a new set of transformations: the Lorentz transformations."

Historically the protective belt (Lorentz transformations) was created before the hard core (Divine Albert's 1905 postulates). Without the protective belt, Divine Albert's postulates (more precisely, his light postulate) would have been immediately refuted by the Michelson-Morley experiment:

http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive … Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost universally use it as support for the light postulate of special relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE."

http://books.google.com/books?id=JokgnS1JtmMC
"Relativity and Its Roots" By Banesh Hoffmann
p.92: "Moreover, if light consists of particles, as Einstein had suggested in his paper submitted just thirteen weeks before this one, the second principle seems absurd: A stone thrown from a speeding train can do far more damage than one thrown from a train at rest; the speed of the particle is not independent of the motion of the object emitting it. And if we take light to consist of particles and assume that these particles obey Newton's laws, they will conform to Newtonian relativity and thus automatically account for the null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment without recourse to contracting lengths, local time, or Lorentz transformations. Yet, as we have seen, Einstein resisted the temptation to account for the null result in terms of particles of light and simple, familiar Newtonian ideas, and introduced as his second postulate something that was more or less obvious when thought of in terms of waves in an ether."

James H. Smith "Introduction à la relativité" EDISCIENCE 1969 pp. 39-41: "Si la lumière était un flot de particules mécaniques obéissant aux lois de la mécanique, il n'y aurait aucune difficulté à comprendre les résultats de l'expérience de Michelson-Morley.... Supposons, par exemple, qu'une fusée se déplace avec une vitesse (1/2)c par rapport à un observateur et qu'un rayon de lumière parte de son nez. Si la vitesse de la lumière signifiait vitesse des "particules" de la lumière par rapport à leur source, alors ces "particules" de lumière se déplaceraient à la vitesse c/2+c=(3/2)c par rapport à l'observateur. Mais ce comportement ne ressemble pas du tout à celui d'une onde, car les ondes se propagent à une certaine vitesse par rapport au milieu dans lequel elles se développent et non pas à une certaine vitesse par rapport à leur source..... Il nous faut insister sur le fait suivant: QUAND EINSTEIN PROPOSA QUE LA VITESSE DE LA LUMIERE SOIT INDEPENDANTE DE CELLE DE LA SOURCE, IL N'EN EXISTAIT AUCUNE PREUVE EXPERIMENTALE. IL LE POSTULA PAR PURE NECESSITE LOGIQUE."

Пенчо Вълев
pvalev@yahoo.com

Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

Пенчо Вълев,моля обяснете по същество и по възможност на български какъв точно е проблема който поставяте.Че Лоренцовите трансформации са грешни,а верни са галилеевите или че нито една от 2-те е вярна.Моля,опитайте да се аргументирате конкретно с нещо повече от аргумента за конспирация на науката против тази"революционна" идея.

Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

10 km wrote:

Пенчо Вълев,моля обяснете по същество и по възможност на български какъв точно е проблема който поставяте.Че Лоренцовите трансформации са грешни,а верни са галилеевите или че нито една от 2-те е вярна.Моля,опитайте да се аргументирате конкретно с нещо повече от аргумента за конспирация на науката против тази"революционна" идея.

Преди това вие се опитайте да отговорите на следния въпрос. През 1887 г. (все още "time dilation" и "length contraction" не са въведени) експериментът на Майкелсън-Морли е в съзвучие със:

(А) емисионната теория на Нютон съгласно която скоростта на светлината ЗАВИСИ от скоростта на източника v по следния начин: c'=c+v

(В) бъдещия втори постулат на Айнщайн съгласно който скоростта на светлината НЕ ЗАВИСИ от скоростта на източника: c'=c

(А) или (В)? (Не сме ли водили "дискусия" с вас вече, примерно в института по философия на БАН? Спецификата на мисълта ви като че ми е позната.)

Пенчо Вълев
pvalev@yahoo.com

Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

Аз избирам (В).

пс. с мен не сте водил дискусия. Гаранция! Дано това не ви притесни. Но и аз ще помоля за аргументите като си ИЗБЕРЕТЕ позиция.
Основанието за моя Избор, са едни спомени от студентските години по време на упражненията, водени от Константин Янакиев. Като стана въпрос, получихте ли отговор на писмото, което сте споделил?

[b]I would like to express my sincere respect to You[/b]

Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

Vanq wrote:

Аз избирам (В).

пс. с мен не сте водил дискусия. Гаранция! Дано това не ви притесни. Но и аз ще помоля за аргументите като си ИЗБЕРЕТЕ позиция.
Основанието за моя Избор, са едни спомени от студентските години по време на упражненията, водени от Константин Янакиев. Като стана въпрос, получихте ли отговор на писмото, което сте споделил?

Не е въпрос на избор. През 1887 г. отговорът е (А). След това FitzGerald и Lorentz започват да строят protective belt като най-напред въвеждат length contraction. Tози protective belt се развива като крайната съвършена форма са Lorentz transformations. Така когато Айнщайн въвежда своя втори постулат, благодарение на съвършения protective belt, отговорът вече е (В).

Да получих позитивен отзив от един от адресатите (философ) но той не е пожелал да му оповестявам името. Имаше и атаки от страна на проф. Борислав Тошев от СУ но това е стара история:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/bulg … essage/730
Since 1998 I have been following the Internet presentations of a strange man named Pentcho Valev. His postings to different chemistry and physics professional forums come from an e-mail address belonging to the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences. He has two mad ideas: the velocity of light is not constant and Einstein is a charlatan and Gibbs' thermodynamics is not correct. These two science paradigms zombie the scientific community; therefore the education based on them damages irreversibly the youth. Pentcho Valev was titled as a 'Bulgarian troll'. The forums did not ban him but the recommendation was: "Don't feed the troll and never reply or comment his postings". It is a clever recommendation! As a boy I thought the trolls lived in Scandinavia. Now, with some surprise, I recognize that many of them live in Bulgaria. Dear colleagues, do not feed the trolls - then, after some time, they will simply move to another place. It is worthless to argue with them. Have a nice weekend, B.V. Toshev

http://mailer.uwf.edu/listserv/wa.exe?A … mp;P=R8912
Who is Pentcho Valev? What is his education? Nobody in Bulgaria knows that. He does not belong either to the researchers or to the Bulgarian education community. I even wonder if he is a real man?! In any case I want to ask him to stop himself.
Please!
=====================
Professor B.V. Toshev,
Head of the Department of Physical Chemistry;
Head of the Department of Chemistry Education,
University of Sofia,
1 James Bourchier Blvd., 1164 Sofia, BULGARIA
f. Deputy-Minister of Education and Science (Higher Education),
Bulgarian representative in CCE, IUPAC

Пенчо Вълев
pvalev@yahoo.com

Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

Не не сме водили дискусия.Аз съм как да кажа,фен далеч извън научните среди.А дали съм съгласен с експеримента на М/М :) :).
Ако приемем тогава за 1 път наблюдаваното и предполагам многократно проверявано явление,а именно:ИЗМЕРЕНИ равни скорости на светлината по посока на движение и перпендикулярно на посоката на движение на земята,се налага да потърсим някаво обяснение.Такова се предлага в учебниците по физика по точно лоренцовите трансформации.От матем. гледна точка лоренцовите т-ии обясняват коректно явлението,но дали са единствено възможни.Не съм се занимавал сериозно с проблема но у мен остана  усещане че е възможно да се дефинират други функции които да дадат подобен резултат.Така че въпроса за единствеността на лоренцовите т-ции е много интересен.Така би било възможно лоренцовите подобно на галилеевите да се окажат частен случай.
Накрая надявам се знаете че лоренцовите т-ии дават същия резултат при ниски скоростти като галилеевите.

Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

Pentcho Valev was titled as a 'Bulgarian troll'. The forums did not ban him but the recommendation was: "Don't feed the troll and never reply or comment his postings". It is a clever recommendation! As a boy I thought the trolls lived in Scandinavia. Now, with some surprise, I recognize that many of them live in Bulgaria. Dear colleagues, do not feed the trolls - then, after some time, they will simply move to another place. It is worthless to argue with them.

ха-ха-хааааааааааа

е, не е истина!

Имаме си Истински ТРОЛ! ЯКОООООООО!

Мисля, че Косето ни прокле......... ха-ха.

не мога да спра да се смея.....
в същото време, ми е интересно...

Пенчо,Пенчо, я сподели, как откри този форум? моля те? :)

И после напиши некой аргумент де...тия от 1887 ги мани....

[b]I would like to express my sincere respect to You[/b]

Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

Pentcho Valev wrote:

http://bertie.ccsu.edu/~dsb/naturesci/P … katos.html
"Lakatos distinguished between two parts of a scientific theory: its "hard core" which contains its basic assumptions (or axioms, when set out formally and explicitly), and its "protective belt", a surrounding defensive set of "ad hoc" (produced for the occasion) hypotheses. (...) In Lakatos' model, we have to explicitly take into account the "ad hoc hypotheses" which serve as the protective belt. The protective belt serves to deflect "refuting" propositions from the core assumptions..."

http://www.physics.queensu.ca/~phys242/Section2_3.pdf
"Because the GTs [Galilean transformations] are clearly not consistent with Einstein's two postulates, we are going to have to develop a new set of transformations: the Lorentz transformations."

Historically the protective belt (Lorentz transformations) was created before the hard core (Divine Albert's 1905 postulates). Without the protective belt, Divine Albert's postulates (more precisely, his light postulate) would have been immediately refuted by the Michelson-Morley experiment:

http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive … Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost universally use it as support for the light postulate of special relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE."

http://books.google.com/books?id=JokgnS1JtmMC
"Relativity and Its Roots" By Banesh Hoffmann
p.92: "Moreover, if light consists of particles, as Einstein had suggested in his paper submitted just thirteen weeks before this one, the second principle seems absurd: A stone thrown from a speeding train can do far more damage than one thrown from a train at rest; the speed of the particle is not independent of the motion of the object emitting it. And if we take light to consist of particles and assume that these particles obey Newton's laws, they will conform to Newtonian relativity and thus automatically account for the null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment without recourse to contracting lengths, local time, or Lorentz transformations. Yet, as we have seen, Einstein resisted the temptation to account for the null result in terms of particles of light and simple, familiar Newtonian ideas, and introduced as his second postulate something that was more or less obvious when thought of in terms of waves in an ether."

James H. Smith "Introduction à la relativité" EDISCIENCE 1969 pp. 39-41: "Si la lumière était un flot de particules mécaniques obéissant aux lois de la mécanique, il n'y aurait aucune difficulté à comprendre les résultats de l'expérience de Michelson-Morley.... Supposons, par exemple, qu'une fusée se déplace avec une vitesse (1/2)c par rapport à un observateur et qu'un rayon de lumière parte de son nez. Si la vitesse de la lumière signifiait vitesse des "particules" de la lumière par rapport à leur source, alors ces "particules" de lumière se déplaceraient à la vitesse c/2+c=(3/2)c par rapport à l'observateur. Mais ce comportement ne ressemble pas du tout à celui d'une onde, car les ondes se propagent à une certaine vitesse par rapport au milieu dans lequel elles se développent et non pas à une certaine vitesse par rapport à leur source..... Il nous faut insister sur le fait suivant: QUAND EINSTEIN PROPOSA QUE LA VITESSE DE LA LUMIERE SOIT INDEPENDANTE DE CELLE DE LA SOURCE, IL N'EN EXISTAIT AUCUNE PREUVE EXPERIMENTALE. IL LE POSTULA PAR PURE NECESSITE LOGIQUE."

If the speed of the photon varies with the gravitational potential V in conformity with the equation c'=c(1+V/c^2), then, in a sense, the photon behaves like a cannonball and its speed will vary with the speed of the light source v in conformity with the equation c'=c+v.

In 1911 Divine Albert explicitly established the truth of the antecedent and he also knew that, by applying the equivalence principle, one would be able to easily prove the validity of the above conditional:

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm
"So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is not constant in a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]. If this were not so, there would be no bending of light by the gravitational field of stars....Indeed, this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in: 'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911. which predated the full formal development of general relativity by about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is,
c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c^2 )
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the speed of light c0 is measured."

So in 1911 Divine Albert badly needed a new protective belt that would deflect any attack against his 1905 false light postulate, an attack relying on the variability of the speed of light in a gravitational field. And he did build a new belt: GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION. This protective belt presupposes that rates of clocks vary with the gravitational potential while the speed of light remains constant.

Nowadays only silly Einsteinians insist that the speed of light is constant in a gravitational field. Einsteiniana's highest priests admit the variability but know that any hint at Einstein's 1911 protective belt makes this variability harmless:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/R … light.html
Steve Carlip: "Einstein went on to discover a more general theory of relativity which explained gravity in terms of curved spacetime, and he talked about the speed of light changing in this new theory. In the 1920 book "Relativity: the special and general theory" he wrote: ". . . according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity [. . .] cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position." Since Einstein talks of velocity (a vector quantity: speed with direction) rather than speed alone, it is not clear that he meant the speed will change, but the reference to special relativity suggests that he did mean so. (...) In general relativity, the appropriate generalisation is that the speed of light is constant in any freely falling reference frame (in a region small enough that tidal effects can be neglected). In this passage, Einstein is not talking about a freely falling frame, but rather about a frame at rest relative to a source of gravity. In such a frame, the speed of light can differ from c, basically because of THE EFFECT OF GRAVITY (spacetime curvature) ON CLOCKS and rulers."

Пенчо Вълев
pvalev@yahoo.com

Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

Положителното: Упражняваме си английския и френския. Merci, Mr. Valev!
Отрицателното: Г-н Вълев е като Бойко Борисов: накъдето и да се обърнеш, все той. Страх ме е, че ако някой реши да каже нещо друго, вече никой няма да го забележи.

Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

const wrote:

Положителното: Упражняваме си английския и френския. Merci, Mr. Valev!
Отрицателното: Г-н Вълев е като Бойко Борисов: накъдето и да се обърнеш, все той. Страх ме е, че ако някой реши да каже нещо друго, вече никой няма да го забележи.

Все пак само от няколко дни се въртите и аз се появявам от всички посоки. Но може би наистина прекалих - нека направим дълга почивка.

Пенчо Вълев
pvalev@yahoo.com

Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

Pentcho Valev wrote:
const wrote:

Положителното: Упражняваме си английския и френския. Merci, Mr. Valev!
Отрицателното: Г-н Вълев е като Бойко Борисов: накъдето и да се обърнеш, все той. Страх ме е, че ако някой реши да каже нещо друго, вече никой няма да го забележи.

Все пак само от няколко дни се въртите и аз се появявам от всички посоки. Но може би наистина прекалих - нека направим дълга почивка.

(Да си завърша все пак темата - после наистина можете да спрете да се въртите и да гледате само в една посока.)

Lakatos' PROTECTIVE BELT philosophy is a special case of the MAGICIAN'S HAT philosophy:

The MAGICIAN'S HAT philosophy: Science is taken to constitute the interior of a magician's hat where you put ties which are then turned to rabbits. The magician is free to secretly rearrange the interior of the hat so that always rabbits and never wolves jump out of it. The public declares itself ready to boycott the seances if wolves and not rabbits jump out of the hat but in fact loves the magician so much (there are hymns "Divine Magician" and "Yes we all believe in the hat, hat, hat") that seances would take place even if Tyrannosaurus rex jumped out of the hat.

Other contributions to the MAGICIAN'S HAT philosophy:

Karl Popper: "On the other hand, I also realized that we must not exclude immunizations, not even all which introduce ad hoc auxiliary hypothesis....All this shows not only that some degree of dogmatism is fruitful, even in science, but also that logically speaking falsifiability or testability cannot be regarded as a very sharp criterion."

Thomas Kuhn: "Something even more fundamental than standards and values is, however, also at stake. I have so far argued only that paradigms are constitutive of science. Now I wish to display a sense in which they are constitutive of nature as well."

Paul Feyerabend: "Today science prevails not because of its comparative merits but because the show has been rigged in its favour."

Pentcho Valev wrote:

http://bertie.ccsu.edu/~dsb/naturesci/P … katos.html
"Lakatos distinguished between two parts of a scientific theory: its "hard core" which contains its basic assumptions (or axioms, when set out formally and explicitly), and its "protective belt", a surrounding defensive set of "ad hoc" (produced for the occasion) hypotheses. (...) In Lakatos' model, we have to explicitly take into account the "ad hoc hypotheses" which serve as the protective belt. The protective belt serves to deflect "refuting" propositions from the core assumptions..."

http://www.physics.queensu.ca/~phys242/Section2_3.pdf
"Because the GTs [Galilean transformations] are clearly not consistent with Einstein's two postulates, we are going to have to develop a new set of transformations: the Lorentz transformations."

Historically the protective belt (Lorentz transformations) was created before the hard core (Divine Albert's 1905 postulates). Without the protective belt, Divine Albert's postulates (more precisely, his light postulate) would have been immediately refuted by the Michelson-Morley experiment:

http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive … Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost universally use it as support for the light postulate of special relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE."

http://books.google.com/books?id=JokgnS1JtmMC
"Relativity and Its Roots" By Banesh Hoffmann
p.92: "Moreover, if light consists of particles, as Einstein had suggested in his paper submitted just thirteen weeks before this one, the second principle seems absurd: A stone thrown from a speeding train can do far more damage than one thrown from a train at rest; the speed of the particle is not independent of the motion of the object emitting it. And if we take light to consist of particles and assume that these particles obey Newton's laws, they will conform to Newtonian relativity and thus automatically account for the null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment without recourse to contracting lengths, local time, or Lorentz transformations. Yet, as we have seen, Einstein resisted the temptation to account for the null result in terms of particles of light and simple, familiar Newtonian ideas, and introduced as his second postulate something that was more or less obvious when thought of in terms of waves in an ether."

James H. Smith "Introduction à la relativité" EDISCIENCE 1969 pp. 39-41: "Si la lumière était un flot de particules mécaniques obéissant aux lois de la mécanique, il n'y aurait aucune difficulté à comprendre les résultats de l'expérience de Michelson-Morley.... Supposons, par exemple, qu'une fusée se déplace avec une vitesse (1/2)c par rapport à un observateur et qu'un rayon de lumière parte de son nez. Si la vitesse de la lumière signifiait vitesse des "particules" de la lumière par rapport à leur source, alors ces "particules" de lumière se déplaceraient à la vitesse c/2+c=(3/2)c par rapport à l'observateur. Mais ce comportement ne ressemble pas du tout à celui d'une onde, car les ondes se propagent à une certaine vitesse par rapport au milieu dans lequel elles se développent et non pas à une certaine vitesse par rapport à leur source..... Il nous faut insister sur le fait suivant: QUAND EINSTEIN PROPOSA QUE LA VITESSE DE LA LUMIERE SOIT INDEPENDANTE DE CELLE DE LA SOURCE, IL N'EN EXISTAIT AUCUNE PREUVE EXPERIMENTALE. IL LE POSTULA PAR PURE NECESSITE LOGIQUE."

If the speed of the photon varies with the gravitational potential V in conformity with the equation c'=c(1+V/c^2), then, in a sense, the photon behaves like a cannonball and its speed will vary with the speed of the light source v in conformity with the equation c'=c+v.

In 1911 Divine Albert explicitly established the truth of the antecedent and he also knew that, by applying the equivalence principle, one would be able to easily prove the validity of the above conditional:

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm
"So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is not constant in a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]. If this were not so, there would be no bending of light by the gravitational field of stars....Indeed, this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in: 'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911. which predated the full formal development of general relativity by about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book 'The Principle of Relativity.' You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein's derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is,
c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c^2 )
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the speed of light c0 is measured."

So in 1911 Divine Albert badly needed a new protective belt that would deflect any attack against his 1905 false light postulate, an attack relying on the variability of the speed of light in a gravitational field. And he did build a new belt: GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION. This protective belt presupposes that rates of clocks vary with the gravitational potential while the speed of light remains constant.

Nowadays only silly Einsteinians insist that the speed of light is constant in a gravitational field. Einsteiniana's highest priests admit the variability but know that any hint at Einstein's 1911 protective belt makes this variability harmless:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/R … light.html
Steve Carlip: "Einstein went on to discover a more general theory of relativity which explained gravity in terms of curved spacetime, and he talked about the speed of light changing in this new theory. In the 1920 book "Relativity: the special and general theory" he wrote: ". . . according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity [. . .] cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position." Since Einstein talks of velocity (a vector quantity: speed with direction) rather than speed alone, it is not clear that he meant the speed will change, but the reference to special relativity suggests that he did mean so. (...) In general relativity, the appropriate generalisation is that the speed of light is constant in any freely falling reference frame (in a region small enough that tidal effects can be neglected). In this passage, Einstein is not talking about a freely falling frame, but rather about a frame at rest relative to a source of gravity. In such a frame, the speed of light can differ from c, basically because of THE EFFECT OF GRAVITY (spacetime curvature) ON CLOCKS and rulers."

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Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

If the MAGICIAN'S HAT philosophy were to be given a more serious name, the suitable one is MAGICAL INSTRUMENTALISM. Officially logic is a crucial tool for instrumentalists but, somewhat paradoxically, they place no emphasis on validity, that is, on the truth-preserving procedure constituting any single link of the deductive chain. It seems inherent in the subconsciousness of philosophers of science that, since many of the arguments are invalid, no verification inside the deductive chain should be undertaken: only the final predictions of the theory deserve attention.

Pentcho Valev wrote:

Lakatos' PROTECTIVE BELT philosophy is a special case of the MAGICIAN'S HAT philosophy:

The MAGICIAN'S HAT philosophy: Science is taken to constitute the interior of a magician's hat where you put ties which are then turned to rabbits. The magician is free to secretly rearrange the interior of the hat so that always rabbits and never wolves jump out of it. The public declares itself ready to boycott the seances if wolves and not rabbits jump out of the hat but in fact loves the magician so much (there are hymns "Divine Magician" and "Yes we all believe in the hat, hat, hat") that seances would take place even if Tyrannosaurus rex jumped out of the hat.

Other contributions to the MAGICIAN'S HAT philosophy:

Karl Popper: "On the other hand, I also realized that we must not exclude immunizations, not even all which introduce ad hoc auxiliary hypothesis....All this shows not only that some degree of dogmatism is fruitful, even in science, but also that logically speaking falsifiability or testability cannot be regarded as a very sharp criterion."

Thomas Kuhn: "Something even more fundamental than standards and values is, however, also at stake. I have so far argued only that paradigms are constitutive of science. Now I wish to display a sense in which they are constitutive of nature as well."

Paul Feyerabend: "Today science prevails not because of its comparative merits but because the show has been rigged in its favour."

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Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

Признавам дългоооооо мислих какъв Ви е проблема?

И се "предавам"- не мога да се сетя.

Ако ви се беше наложило преди 20 години, да изложите всичко, с което "препълнихте" форума, откакто сте се появил, мисля че само майка Ви, щеше да знае името Ви.

Опитах да си представя как взимате книга от библиотеката, преписвате цитат, и след което.... къде бихте могли да го използвате? на някоя лекция? Някой споменава "Лакатош", и вие, хоп разлиствате страниците, за да намерите цитата, който сте Преписал...да ама докато го намерите, вече чувате, че казват "Кун"...и хоп пак разгръщате...
Накрая се сещате, че тия цитати по никакъв начин няма да са интересни за присъстващите, защото може би те отдавна са ги прочели, и не е нужно като даскалица по литература да цитирате ли цитирате ли пасажи....
Да, ама, това щеше да е преди 20 години.
А сега.......
хъм...
ето една "неосъзната неблагодарност" на хората към техническите постижения и улеснения за цивилизацията... вместо да използват нещо за да "градят" или създадат по-добро, на тях им е по-лесно да го използват за да рушат.
С изявите си тук, Уважаеми господине,
направихте този форум да прилича на ....Филкпедия, отделно едва ли някой ще посмее да се включи повече в дискусия.
Не Ви знам какъв "професионалист" сте, и кой е имал неблагоразмието и кофти чувство за хумор да ви го заяви, но така че да му повярвате, но за мен сте.... супер ... нещастен човек.
Има и такива, но си помислете, ако искате да ми докажете компетентността си, дали е можете да ме провокирате за дискусия...едва ли?

[b]I would like to express my sincere respect to You[/b]

Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

Vanq wrote:

Признавам дългоооооо мислих какъв Ви е проблема?

Същият който е тормозел Айнщайн през 1954:

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/index. … re_id=3576
John Stachel: "Einstein discussed the other side of the particle-field dualism - get rid of fields and just have particles."
Albert Einstein 1954: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures. Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary physics."
John Stachel's comment: "If I go down, everything goes down, ha ha, hm, ha ha ha."

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Re: LORENTZ TRANSFORMATIONS as "PROTECTIVE BELT"

Pentcho Valev wrote:
Vanq wrote:

Признавам дългоооооо мислих какъв Ви е проблема?

Същият който е тормозел Айнщайн през 1954:

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/index. … re_id=3576
John Stachel: "Einstein discussed the other side of the particle-field dualism - get rid of fields and just have particles."
Albert Einstein 1954: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot be based upon the field concept, that is on continuous structures. Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary physics."
John Stachel's comment: "If I go down, everything goes down, ha ha, hm, ha ha ha."

Ако се чудите как точно тези "field concept" и "continuous structures" са фатални не само за теорията на Айнщайн но и за цялата съвременна физика, ето няколко напътстващи цитата:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Devel … _Radiation
The Development of Our Views on the Composition and Essence of Radiation by Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein 1909: "A large body of facts shows undeniably that light has certain fundamental properties that are better explained by Newton's emission theory of light than by the oscillation theory. For this reason, I believe that the next phase in the development of theoretical physics will bring us a theory of light that can be considered a fusion of the oscillation and emission theories. The purpose of the following remarks is to justify this belief and to show that a profound change in our views on the composition and essence of light is imperative.....Then the electromagnetic fields that make up light no longer appear as a state of a hypothetical medium, but rather as independent entities that the light source gives off, just as in Newton's emission theory of light......Relativity theory has changed our views on light. Light is conceived not as a manifestation of the state of some hypothetical medium, but rather as an independent entity like matter. Moreover, this theory shares with the corpuscular theory of light the unusual property that light carries inertial mass from the emitting to the absorbing object."

http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/companion.doc
Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity and the Problems in the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies that Led him to it
John Norton: "Einstein could not see how to formulate a fully relativistic electrodynamics merely using his new device of field transformations. So he considered the possibility of modifying Maxwell's electrodynamics in order to bring it into accord with an emission theory of light, such as Newton had originally conceived. There was some inevitability in these attempts, as long as he held to classical (Galilean) kinematics. Imagine that some emitter sends out a light beam at c. According to this kinematics, an observer who moves past at v in the opposite direction, will see the emitter moving at v and the light emitted at c+v. This last fact is the defining characteristic of an emission theory of light: the velocity of the emitter is added vectorially to the velocity of light emitted....If an emission theory can be formulated as a field theory, it would seem to be unable to determine the future course of processes from their state in the present. AS LONG AS EINSTEIN EXPECTED A VIABLE THEORY LIGHT, ELECTRICITY AND MAGNETISM TO BE A FIELD THEORY, these sorts of objections would render an EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT INADMISSIBLE."

http://www.academie-sciences.fr/membres … _eloge.pdf
Louis de Broglie: "Tout d'abord toute idée de "grain" se trouvait expulsée de la théorie de la Lumière : celle-ci prenait la forme d'une "théorie du champ" où le rayonnement était représenté par une répartition continue dans l'espace de grandeurs évoluant continûment au cours du temps sans qu'il fût possible de distinguer, dans les domaines spatiaux au sein desquels évoluait le champ lumineux, de très petites régions singulières où le champ serait très fortement concentré et qui fournirait une image du type corpusculaire. Ce caractère à la fois continu et ondulatoire de la lumière se trouvait prendre une forme très précise dans la théorie de Maxwell où le champ lumineux venait se confondre avec un certain type de champ électromagnétique."

http://books.google.com/books?id=JokgnS1JtmMC
"Relativity and Its Roots" By Banesh Hoffmann
p.92: "Moreover, if light consists of particles, as Einstein had suggested in his paper submitted just thirteen weeks before this one, the second principle seems absurd: A stone thrown from a speeding train can do far more damage than one thrown from a train at rest; the speed of the particle is not independent of the motion of the object emitting it. And if we take light to consist of particles and assume that these particles obey Newton's laws, they will conform to Newtonian relativity and thus automatically account for the null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment without recourse to contracting lengths, local time, or Lorentz transformations. Yet, as we have seen, Einstein resisted the temptation to account for the null result in terms of particles of light and simple, familiar Newtonian ideas, and introduced as his second postulate something that was more or less obvious when thought of in terms of waves in an ether."

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