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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Sitter_ … experiment

Emission theory (also called emitter theory or ballistic theory of light was a competing theory for the special theory of relativity, explaining the results of the Michelson-Morley experiment.The name most often associated with emission theory is Isaac Newton.
A convincing general disproof of emission theory proposed was difficult to find, and some considered the main competitor to Einstein's special theory to be the emission theory proposed by Walter Ritz.For an object moving directly towards (or away from) the observer at v metres per second, this light would then be expected to still be travelling at (c + v) ( or (c − v) ) metres per second by the time it reached us.


The de Sitter effect was first described by de Sitter in 1913 and used to support the special theory of relativity against a competing 1908 theory by Walter Ritz

Willem de Sitter argued that if this was true, a star in a double-star system would usually have an orbit that caused it to have alternating approach and recession velocities, and light emitted from different parts of the orbital path would then travel towards us at different speeds.the "fast" light given off during approach would be able to catch up with and even overtake "slow" light emitted earlier during a recessional part of the star's orbit, and the star would present an image that was scrambled and out of sequence. De Sitter made a study of double stars (1913) and found no cases where the stars' images appeared scrambled.

Re: MISLED REALISM in philosophy of science

frege wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Sitter_ … experiment

Emission theory (also called emitter theory or ballistic theory of light was a competing theory for the special theory of relativity, explaining the results of the Michelson-Morley experiment.The name most often associated with emission theory is Isaac Newton.
A convincing general disproof of emission theory proposed was difficult to find, and some considered the main competitor to Einstein's special theory to be the emission theory proposed by Walter Ritz.For an object moving directly towards (or away from) the observer at v metres per second, this light would then be expected to still be travelling at (c + v) ( or (c − v) ) metres per second by the time it reached us.


The de Sitter effect was first described by de Sitter in 1913 and used to support the special theory of relativity against a competing 1908 theory by Walter Ritz

Willem de Sitter argued that if this was true, a star in a double-star system would usually have an orbit that caused it to have alternating approach and recession velocities, and light emitted from different parts of the orbital path would then travel towards us at different speeds.the "fast" light given off during approach would be able to catch up with and even overtake "slow" light emitted earlier during a recessional part of the star's orbit, and the star would present an image that was scrambled and out of sequence. De Sitter made a study of double stars (1913) and found no cases where the stars' images appeared scrambled.

Би било много непродуктивно да търсите в интернет потвърждения на Divine Albert's Divine Theory и аз да ги опровергавам едно по едно. За 100 години е създадена такава митология че ще ни трябват още 100 за да я обсъдим цялата. Специално наблюденията на de Sitter се отхвърлят в самата Айнщайниана но както винаги имало една съвременна версия която била желязна и т.н. Според мен, като се има предвид трагичното (по оценка на самите жреци на Айнщайниана) състояние на космологията, нито едно космологично потвърждение или опровержение на Divine Albert's Divine Theory не трябва да се взима насериозно.   

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това, че нито позоваване на теория, нито на експеримент не могат да защитят Айнщайн, ме кара да подозирам, че алтернатива е да се вярва в нещо, което условно бихме могли да наречем Divine Pencho's Theory  :)

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frege wrote:

това, че нито позоваване на теория, нито на експеримент не могат да защитят Айнщайн, ме кара да подозирам, че алтернатива е да се вярва в нещо, което условно бихме могли да наречем Divine Pencho's Theory  :)

КОСМОЛОГИЧНИТЕ теории и експерименти не биха могли да защитят или опровергаят Айнщайн. Колкото до "Divine Pencho's Theory", така би звучал лозунгът "Да живее великият Троцки!" в сталинска Русия.

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http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/19 … #seventeen
George Orwell: "Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. The Party intellectual knows in which direction his memories must be altered; he therefore knows that he is playing tricks with reality; but by the exercise of doublethink he also satisfies himself that reality is not violated. The process has to be conscious, or it would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and hence of guilt. Doublethink lies at the very heart of Ingsoc, since the essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty. To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies - all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge ; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth."

Fundamental doublethink in philosophy of science:

W. H. Newton-Smith, THE RATIONALITY OF SCIENCE, Routledge, London, 1981, p. 55:
"A theory is a set of assertions and if the number of assertions in a theory were finite we might initially seek to explicate the notion of relative verisimilitude in terms of the number of truths and the number of falsehoods contained within the theories. (...) A theory contains all the consequences of the postulates and this set, called the deductive closure of the postulates, is INFINITE IN SIZE."

The consequences of the postulates are obviously a finite number so "INFINITE IN SIZE" is just "the lie one leap ahead of the truth". On the other hand, Newton-Smith is, in my view, a very clever philosopher of science so unfortunately another characteristic of doublethink is relevant in this case:

http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/19 … #seventeen
George Orwell: "It need hardly be said that the subtlest practitioners of doublethink are those who invented doublethink and know that it is a vast system of mental cheating. In our society, those who have the best knowledge of what is happening are also those who are furthest from seeing the world as it is. In general, the greater the understanding, the greater the delusion ; the more intelligent, the less sane."

Pentcho Valev wrote:

Most activity in philosophy of science consists of accounting for or explaining major scientific change. Greatly impressed by the universal shifting of allegiance from Newtonian to relativistic mechanics, and suspecting that there may be some truth in the former, realists construe change as a more or less turbulent movement from less truth to more truth:

W. H. Newton-Smith, THE RATIONALITY OF SCIENCE, Routledge, London, 1981, p. 39: "Consequently our final strengthening of realism involves adding what I call the thesis of verisimilitude (hereafter cited as TV): the historically generated sequence of theories of a mature science is a sequence of theories which are improving in regard to how approximately true they are."

This construal of scientific change is inconsistent with the deductive nature of theories. Deductivism implies that only movements from absolutely false to absolutely true and from absolutely true to absolutely false are possible. Consider Einstein's 1905 light postulate:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ "...light is always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity c which is independent of the state of motion of the emitting body."

By a theory I shall mean the deductive closure of the postulate, that is, the set of all its consequences deduced validly and in the absence of false or absurd auxiliary hypotheses. If the light postulate is true, then all its consequences are true, and IN THIS SENSE the theory is absolutely true.

If Einstein's 1905 light postulate is false, then its antithesis, the equation c'=c+v given by Newton's emission theory of light, is true. This can easily be seen on close inspection of the Michelson-Morley experiment:

http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive … Norton.pdf
John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost universally use it as support for the light postulate of special relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE."

http://books.google.com/books?id=JokgnS1JtmMC
"Relativity and Its Roots" By Banesh Hoffmann
p.92: "Moreover, if light consists of particles, as Einstein had suggested in his paper submitted just thirteen weeks before this one, the second principle seems absurd: A stone thrown from a speeding train can do far more damage than one thrown from a train at rest; the speed of the particle is not independent of the motion of the object emitting it. And if we take light to consist of particles and assume that these particles obey Newton's laws, they will conform to Newtonian relativity and thus automatically account for the null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment without recourse to contracting lengths, local time, or Lorentz transformations. Yet, as we have seen, Einstein resisted the temptation to account for the null result in terms of particles of light and simple, familiar Newtonian ideas, and introduced as his second postulate something that was more or less obvious when thought of in terms of waves in an ether."

Therefore the respective theory (the set of all consequences of the antithesis, c'=c+v, deduced validly and in the absence of false or absurd auxiliary hypotheses) is absolutely true in the sense that all its conclusions are true.

Clearly if "theory" is properly defined the concepts of truth content and falsity content, largely used in today's philosophy of science, are irrelevant. Deductive theories are either absolutely true or absolutely false. The transition from Newtonian to relativistic mechanics was either a transition from absolutely false to absolutely true or a transition from absolutely true to absolutely false.

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REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM exposes a statement ("The bug is dead") and its negation ("The bug is alive") as consequences of the same set of postulates. The respective theory is an inconsistency, and some philosophers of science hold that the inconsistency deserves "the lowest degree of verisimilitude" (without referring to Divine Albert's Divine Theory of course):

W. H. Newton-Smith, The rationality of science, Routledge, London, 1981, p. 229: "A theory ought to be internally consistent. The grounds for including this factor are a priori. For given a realist construal of theories, our concern is with verisimilitude, and if a theory is inconsistent it will contain every sentence of the language, as the following simple argument shows. Let 'q' be an arbitrary sentence of the language and suppose that the theory is inconsistent. This means that we can derive the sentence 'p and not-p'. From this 'p' follows. And from 'p' it follows that 'p or q' (if 'p' is true then 'p or q' will be true no matter whether 'q' is true or not). Equally, it follows from 'p and not-p' that 'not-p'. But 'not-p' together with 'p or q' entails 'q'. Thus once we admit an inconsistency into our theory we have to admit everything. And no theory of verisimilitude would be acceptable that did not give the lowest degree of verisimilitude to a theory which contained each sentence of the theory's language and its negation."

Other philosophers of science find the inconsistency fruitful: "Pursuing inconsistent systems is sometimes the only way to obtain new information":

http://homepage.mac.com/otaviobueno/.Pu … otHell.pdf
Why Inconsistency Is Not Hell
Making Room for Inconsistency in Science
Otavio Bueno
"On most accounts of belief change, inconsistent belief systems are an "epistemic hell" to be avoided at all costs (see, e.g., Gärdenfors 1988, p. 51). From a normative point of view, we can perhaps understand why this is the case. The underlying logic of most theories of belief change is classical, and classical logic is explosive, that is, everything follows from a contradic-tion. And a belief system from which everything follows should definitely be avoided. It is certainly of not much use if one wants to determine what one should believe and what one should do.....I argue that Levi's own approach to belief change could become stronger by making room for inconsistency, without giving up the crucial features of his pragmatism. The crucial move is to change the underlying logic to a paraconsistent one, which, in consistent contexts, yields exactly the same results as the classical approach (see, e.g.,da Costa and Bueno 1998). Once there is room for inconsistency, there is also room for informativeness in inconsistent belief systems.....Pursuing inconsistent systems is sometimes the only way to obtain new information, particularly information that conflicts with deeply entrenched theories (see Lakatos 1978 and Feyerabend 1988).....The considerations above indicate that, properly conceptualized, inconsistent belief systems, whether about empirical or nonempirical domains, can provide invaluable information. Even though an inconsistent system may only be a first, but important, step toward a consistent successor, the point still remains that such a system is significant.....Suppose, however, that the only way of obtaining certain bits of information is by deliberately expanding into inconsistency. Bohr's case discussed above illustrates this situation - as well as the earlier formulations of the calculus and the conjunction of quantum mechanics and relativity theory. To obtain the relevant information, in each of these cases, it looks as though one is forced to expand into inconsistency. Now, as long as the underlying logic is paraconsistent, there need not be anything unacceptable here."

Who is right: Newton-Smith or Otavio Bueno?   

Pentcho Valev wrote:

Deductive systems establish a procedure whereby one passes from a premise or premises to a conclusion. The derivations are usually presented as a sequence of numbered lines. For instance:

(1) Premise A
(2) Premise B
(3) Conclusion C 1,2
(4) Conclusion D 2,3
(5) ....................

The entry to the right of line (4) shows that that line was obtained from the second and third lines, that is, that Conclusion D was deduced from Premise B and Conclusion C.

This particular presentation of the derivations as a sequence of numbered lines seems practical and yet it has never been and will never be used by Einsteiniana's highest priests. The reason is easy to see if one first considers the bug-rivet story:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hb … rivet.html
"The bug-rivet paradox is a variation on the twin paradox and is similar to the pole-barn paradox.....The end of the rivet hits the bottom of the hole before the head of the rivet hits the wall. So it looks like the bug is squashed.....All this is nonsense from the bug's point of view. The rivet head hits the wall when the rivet end is just 0.35 cm down in the hole! The rivet doesn't get close to the bug....The paradox is not resolved."

and then tries to imagine the following sequence of numbered lines published in both the journal Nature and the journal Science:

(1) Premise: The principle of relativity
(2) Premise: Einstein's 1905 light postulate
(3) Conclusion: Time dilation 1,2
(4) Conclusion: Length contraction 2,3
(5) Conclusion: The bug is dead 4
(6) Conclusion: The bug is alive 4

In the era of Postscientism REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM is universally called "paradox", that is, there is camouflage that misleads everybody, and yet Einsteiniana's highest priests wholeheartedly avoid the presentation of the derivations as a sequence of numbered lines.

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"The bug-rivet paradox is a variation on the twin paradox and is similar to the pole-barn paradox" ...which is resolved here
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/rmext04/92 … .html#Q24b

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frege wrote:

"The bug-rivet paradox is a variation on the twin paradox and is similar to the pole-barn paradox" ...which is resolved here
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/rmext04/92 … .html#Q24b

Учудващо е че философ счита проблема за решен след като е поровил в интернет и е попаднал на едно от хилядите глупави "решения". При това има изключително интелигентен анализ от друг философ в Social Epistemology, Volume 23, No. 1 January 2009, pp. 57-78, без какъвто и да било математически камуфлаж:

http://www.worldnpa.org/php/index.php?t … berid=1243

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Г-н Вълев, или за по-кратко Пенчо, искам да обърна внимание, че ако се опитвате да направите копие на Интернет във Форума мястото няма да стигне. Моля, опитайте да проявите малко форумна култура, за да не се изключваме и прочие. Ако не знаете какво означава форумна култура използвайте Гугъл, виждам че при вас работи много добре. Благодаря за което.

… the answer is, in essence, that during this century of science’s greatest achievements, most physicists and philosophers have given  up on the idea that the purpose of science is to discover how the world really is. Instead they want to regard it as a mere instrument for making predictions and achieving pragmatic goals.
   
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fphgrb01 wrote:

Г-н Вълев, или за по-кратко Пенчо, искам да обърна внимание, че ако се опитвате да направите копие на Интернет във Форума мястото няма да стигне. Моля, опитайте да проявите малко форумна култура, за да не се изключваме и прочие. Ако не знаете какво означава форумна култура използвайте Гугъл, виждам че при вас работи много добре. Благодаря за което.

Толкова млад и вече модератор! (Един виц завършваше с "Възхищавам се от вас! Толкова млад и вече българин!"). Успокойте се и спете спокойно. Веднага ще проуча как става unsubscribe и това което наричате "форумна култура" ще се повиши неимоверно.

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Pentcho Valev wrote:
fphgrb01 wrote:

Г-н Вълев, или за по-кратко Пенчо, искам да обърна внимание, че ако се опитвате да направите копие на Интернет във Форума мястото няма да стигне. Моля, опитайте да проявите малко форумна култура, за да не се изключваме и прочие. Ако не знаете какво означава форумна култура използвайте Гугъл, виждам че при вас работи много добре. Благодаря за което.

Толкова млад и вече модератор! (Един виц завършваше с "Възхищавам се от вас! Толкова млад и вече българин!"). Успокойте се и спете спокойно. Веднага ще проуча как става unsubscribe и това което наричате "форумна култура" ще се повиши неимоверно.

Не мога да разбера как става unsubscribe но вие можете да ми помогнете - след като знаете как "да не се изключваме и прочие", сигурно също така знаете как "да се изключваме и прочие". Та ще ви помоля да ме изключите и прочие, т.е. името ми да не фигурира върху User List. Или ми дайте някакви инструкции и прочие как да се оправя сам.

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Pentcho Valev wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
fphgrb01 wrote:

Г-н Вълев, или за по-кратко Пенчо, искам да обърна внимание, че ако се опитвате да направите копие на Интернет във Форума мястото няма да стигне. Моля, опитайте да проявите малко форумна култура, за да не се изключваме и прочие. Ако не знаете какво означава форумна култура използвайте Гугъл, виждам че при вас работи много добре. Благодаря за което.

Толкова млад и вече модератор! (Един виц завършваше с "Възхищавам се от вас! Толкова млад и вече българин!"). Успокойте се и спете спокойно. Веднага ще проуча как става unsubscribe и това което наричате "форумна култура" ще се повиши неимоверно.

Не мога да разбера как става unsubscribe но вие можете да ми помогнете - след като знаете как "да не се изключваме и прочие", сигурно също така знаете как "да се изключваме и прочие". Та ще ви помоля да ме изключите и прочие, т.е. името ми да не фигурира върху User List. Или ми дайте някакви инструкции и прочие как да се оправя сам.

Нещо не се разбираме така че нека ви обясня. В живота ми е имало много модератори които са ми правили модерация по избран от тях начин без да мога да се противопоставя. Както се казва, такива бяха времената. В новите времена обаче, ако не друго, то поне мога гордо да вдигна глава и категорично да заявя: "Не! Борис Модератора няма да ми прави модерация! Няма пък!". Така че веднага ме извадете от вашия User List или кажете как сам да се извадя. Зашо нямате предвидена функция unsubscribe? Или защо не мога да я намеря?

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Не мога да разбера как се получава така: всеки, който меко казано не е в час с форумите и освен уважение към собствената си логорея не демонстрира такова като съфорумните си колеги, реагира като опарена девица, когато няколко пъти му се припомни да спазва правилата. Пенчо, ако мислите, че ми се занимава с вашето модериране лъжете се. Помолих ви, опитах се да ви обърна внимание, да промените нещо в постовете си, които приличат на сводка на политбюро а не на прокоментирани теми във философски форум - не, няма резултат. Всеки е свободен да съскрайбва и ънсъбскрайбва, просто би било наистина добре ако обърнете внимание на формата на това, което правите тук и евентуално гоо попромените към по-форумно. Отново благодаря за което.
Б

… the answer is, in essence, that during this century of science’s greatest achievements, most physicists and philosophers have given  up on the idea that the purpose of science is to discover how the world really is. Instead they want to regard it as a mere instrument for making predictions and achieving pragmatic goals.
   
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fphgrb01 wrote:

Не мога да разбера как се получава така: всеки, който меко казано не е в час с форумите и освен уважение към собствената си логорея не демонстрира такова като съфорумните си колеги, реагира като опарена девица, когато няколко пъти му се припомни да спазва правилата. Пенчо, ако мислите, че ми се занимава с вашето модериране лъжете се. Помолих ви, опитах се да ви обърна внимание, да промените нещо в постовете си, които приличат на сводка на политбюро а не на прокоментирани теми във философски форум - не, няма резултат. Всеки е свободен да съскрайбва и ънсъбскрайбва, просто би било наистина добре ако обърнете внимание на формата на това, което правите тук и евентуално гоо попромените към по-форумно. Отново благодаря за което.
Б

Отново предпочитате да издевателствате вместо, както ви помолих, просто да ме извадите от вашия User list или да ми обясните как сам да се извадя. Защо?

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пред клинична смърт е темата  за ффята на науката, ако не и форумът като цяло; в опит за съживяване да припомним, че 

fphgrb1 wrote:

На Ханох отговарях ... за епистемичната природа на оправдаването на Айнщайн за двата принципа на Специалната Теория на Относителноста, постулатът за константността на светлината и постулатът на относителността. Аз твърдях че те са а приори при Айнщайн :), тъп и упорит от много години насам, явно няма да се променя, лошото е, че мисля че съм прав :) а Ханох вървеше с Мейн стрийма и всъщност твърдеше това, което всички емпирицисти твърдят, че те са емпирицистки оправдани.

(рубриката събития: 'Ако някой има път')